Curse

691175002 · Aug 13, 2005, 06:23 AM // 06:23

When I first started the game all I really wanted was one nice character with fisure armor dyed black-blue-silver (for dark blue shiny

). Back then it may have cost around 750k but I could adventure in the fissure and uw a bit to get some of the materials I needed. Now something like that could cost 4000k or more. The last time I checked ectos were gone and shards were 9k each! Before getting my fissure armor was just hard. Now it is impossible. I have totally given up on that and what really pisses me off about the reset is I know that if I was playing right then I could have had my armor... I have played lots for the armor I wanted and had to abandon it but someone who could be a total noob right at the start with a few plat can get what I really wanted and worked for with just a few minutes of buying ecto and shards and sup vigor/absorbation really cheap after the reset.

All you guys say is "oh you don't need it, its only for looks." and "it dosnt matter if he got rich... just be happy for him and keep playing" Its easy for you to say it but when I wanted that armor it was a goal to get to and when it becomes nearly impossible and then anyone who is lucky enough to be there are the right time can get it...

I almost never complain about games and guild wars is great and this wont stop me from playing it but when stuff like this happens it just isn't fair.
I don't want anyone to start saying "its only a game" because even so if you put time into something you expect to get something out of it and when some person just gets ahead so easilly without even working it really shakes you up.

"Who cares if you got fired and some person took your place because his dad was rich, it wont matter because when you die you don't get to keep anything" Ok its a little more serious but it can be applied the same way. No guild wars is not my life or anything but really you guys are saying the exact same thing and it makes no sense to me...
It is just not fair and if you play WoW and Starcraft and other games you don't expect other people to be able to instantly get 100000000 gold and then own you up just because some guy glitched something up.

I have been wanting to say that for a long time and people who defend guild wars good for you but if they make a mistake you can't cover up for it.
True there will always be someone who will complain but the trick is too please the MAJORITY not the 1% who got to buy ectos at 100g. This is ridiclous and I think it would be better to just make the traders have unlimited stock and "crash" the server and "lose" the backups. At least that way noobs will have a fair start and I can get my dark blue shiny fissure armor. I know that most people won't agree with me but thats ok and I doubt any game would ever do that.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 06:30 AM // 06:30

I agree with 691175002.

twicky_kid · Aug 13, 2005, 06:34 AM // 06:34

i would suggest looking at this forum and read the comments on Jun 16th

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread...pagen umber=2.

that is 1 month after the merchant updates and new system was added. i saw this after 1 month of the new system and many other's acted like this was some big surpise that the old prices where so high. there was a reason. i knew something like this was going to happen. read the comment left today also.

be glad that the ecto was at 300g and now there is a huge supply of them among players to sell and trade amongst each other. the prices are higher after reset, yes, but it will be short lived. merchants are giving good prices to buy items now. players are basicly capped by this. you wanted a cap on merchant's prices well here it is. they can't sell the item for more than what the merchant is going to give. if your like me i'll take what the merchant gives now over players (did before on common material because it was reasonable) because i don't have to sit and spam for an hour or 2 to clear my inventory. so everytime i sell the price is going down.

market is going to stablize. its is very close to real life. market is bad and going south prices rising. government gives tax cuts to put money in more pockets so they can in turn buy things boosting the economy. we have a really big boost after the update but it will balance out over time.

691175002 · Aug 13, 2005, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

be glad that the ecto was at 300g and now there is a huge supply of them among players to sell and trade amongst each other. the prices are higher after reset, yes, but it will be short lived. merchants are giving good prices to buy items now. players are basicly capped by this. you wanted a cap on merchant's prices well here it is. they can't sell the item for more than what the merchant is going to give. if your like me i'll take what the merchant gives now over players (did before on common material because it was reasonable) because i don't have to sit and spam for an hour or 2 to clear my inventory. so everytime i sell the price is going down.

I think be unglad is a better idea. All this did was allow people to buy out all the merchants. Ok... the merchant is selling xxx rune for 2k... wait... there are about 100 rich guys making sure all the stock on the item is out... Ok... Some guy is selling the 2k rune for 20k and there is nothing you can do but pay for it because the trader dosn't have any... You just got the shaft. Sure some prices have gone down and that is great but when some prices go up even higher than they were you know something is wrong. The problem is with the entire stock idea. If someone can buy out all of one item currently in the game he can set the price.
If i got a few billion off the reset, bought all the ectos in the game (aided by the nerfs which reduce the amount added into the game) and then started selling them for 30k each would you be pissed? Why aren't you pissed now? Even better idea, buy all the cloth in the game and sell it for 50g each! Not only did I just shaft every noob player but all armor requires some of the common materials and if someone needs 140 of them for forge armor I just shafted him and got rich in the process.

Wait... I see Shards at 9k and ecto gone... wait... Wts ecto 20k? has the economy gotten any better? The problem is that the people who made lots of money off the reset now control the economy. They can buy out all the stock on an item for like 200g each then sell it for 20k each if they want because they are the only ones who have them.

That is the reason I suggested to have the server "accidentally" crash the then have the backups "dissapear". Then update the traders so that there is unlimited stock. That is the only quick way I can see to fix the economy is to wipe everything but that would make most people mad. (and then they might burn me at the stake for suggesting it lol)

Red Sonya · Aug 13, 2005, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by zemelett

gw updates...........poeple complain

gw doesnt update........people complain

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gw nerfs.............people complain

gw doesnt nerf..........people complain

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im seeing a running theme here....people just like to complain....

It's more like whiners and complainers just like to whine and complain. Ever notice it's basically always the same people? People in general are enjoying the game, the moral majority are enjoying the game, the few minisule posts here mean nothing and are very insignificant. Therefore you whiners and complainers only recourse is to either get with it or get out of it. We the "people" don't really care and have spoken.

691175002 · Aug 13, 2005, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

It's more like whiners and complainers just like to whine and complain. Ever notice it's basically always the same people? People in general are enjoying the game, the moral majority are enjoying the game, the few minisule posts here mean nothing and are very insignificant. Therefore you whiners and complainers only recourse is to either get with it or get out of it. We the "people" don't really care and have spoken.

I understand when you say people complain and I think 2 posts is enough about what I think (the first one had all the major points anyways) but I felt something needed to be said and that I really didn't think it is fair.

Either way what is done is done and a-net may have made a mistake but we can only hope it wont happen again (or if it does I benifit from it

) and that the current problems will get fixed.

As long as the people who complain (I guess that would include me

) remember that once you have made your point you don't need to bash guild wars or become a broken record player (or would a stupid bot be a better term?) and unless there is some conveinient way to undo everything what is done is done and can't be changed by a million posts saying everything sucks, I think complaining is one way to make the game better

.

Orochim4ru · Aug 13, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

No one cares that the % of the sell price is increased: people are happy about that. People are angry that Anet had to go and give some people a 100x multiplier for their gold. Buying at the mats trader earned you 10 ectos for 1k. When i got there, steel was still selling for 30g a piece, as was deldrimor steel... and i got there late.

Sigils went down to 1k per, and runes were down to min. All i heard in local was

"rofl! i have 50 sup abs and 50 sup vigors now!!!"

Within a few minutes, he'd have 5 million dollars off an investment of 10k.

That's what's wrong. The fact that economically, the change may have been batshit awesome, but that some people gained HUGE amounts of money, while the others are now looking at mat and rune traders that are sold out is OBVIOUSLY going to bring complaints.

Fair? No. It isn't. People expect fairness. Even if ectos are now capped at 10k each, they're still far too expensive for someone playing casually to work towards. Botting the traders or being at the right place at the right time? Well, since that's obviously more important than 300+ hours of pure farming, you can get all your fissure armor and... oh, why don't we be nice and throw max money at you too.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 08:16 AM // 08:16

i'm crying....I want good deals too. frackers screwed me good. (smiley face) (winky face) (sour face)

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

to everyone that is happy...(about this price set back) YOU ALL GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. THATS WHY YOU ARE HAPPY. YOU WERE THE ONES THAT GOT IN ON THE GREAT PRICES. DON'T TELL ME OTHERWISE. YOU EITHER GRABBED THE GREAT DEALS OR ALREADY HAD SO MUCH MONEY NOT TO CARE. Thank you us poor people will go on crying. frack.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 13, 2005, 09:07 AM // 09:07

the only reason i was happy about it was because i thought i would be safe from threads like these for at least a few days.. i was wrong..

trelloskilos · Aug 13, 2005, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Kaylynn Of Ascalon

to everyone that is happy...(about this price set back) YOU ALL GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. THATS WHY YOU ARE HAPPY. YOU WERE THE ONES THAT GOT IN ON THE GREAT PRICES. DON'T TELL ME OTHERWISE. YOU EITHER GRABBED THE GREAT DEALS OR ALREADY HAD SO MUCH MONEY NOT TO CARE. Thank you us poor people will go on crying. frack.

Hey! I didn't get any deals, I'm not rich, but because I don't really give a flying frcak at a rolling doughnut about trying to squeeze loads of zeroes into my platinum storage display, I avoided all the stress.

I'm not saying a few zeroes wouldn't be nice, but how much money does a player seriously actually need?

Sunman222 · Aug 13, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by trelloskilos

Hey! I didn't get any deals, I'm not rich, but because I don't really give a flying frcak at a rolling doughnut about trying to squeeze loads of zeroes into my platinum storage display, I avoided all the stress.

I'm not saying a few zeroes wouldn't be nice, but how much money does a player seriously actually need?

a lot of zeroes for sets of fissure armor.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 13, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Fissue is useless now, every tom, dick, and harry has it, so i no longer see a point for getting it, everywhere i go i see FoW armors dyed black lined up... i don't know if im looking at 6 players or if that one guy just used "Kage Bunshin no Jutsu"

Sunman222 · Aug 13, 2005, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

Fissue is useless now, every tom, dick, and harry has it, so i no longer see a point for getting it, everywhere i go i see FoW armors dyed black lined up... i don't know if im looking at 6 players or if that one guy just used "Kage Bunshin no Jutsu"

Once again, you are wrong and just assume things. I see people with fissure every now and then and i'm always in the busiest districts: ToA1, LA1, Asc1. Not that many people have it on a percentage basis of total players. You look like a troll with most of your posts, asking to be debated with, sorry.

Myria · Aug 13, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

I'm kinda surprised there's really any disagreement on this. I've only been playing GW for a couple of weeks, but it was obvious from the moment my character went post-Searing that the economy was terminally broken and I certainly haven't noticed it getting any better. In just the short time I've been on prices have jumped around like a hyper-active gerbil on a crystal meth bender, not what I'd call a good sign. The price on most things worth having, even at the 'noob' level, has rapidly approached and passed the point of the utterly insane whilst the value of 99.99% of drops is depressingly close to zero. Just keeping one's self in ident and scavenge kits can be a headache, which gets to be rather depressing. Any town I go into the chat channel isn't even worth looking at. I count myself lucky that I generally prefer to solo with henchies as between the endless cries of WTS, the runners, and others looking to make a gp, I can't imagine how anyone could put together a PUG. Every time I go into a town the words "Tragedy of the commons" float before my eyes, and what a tragedy it is. I'm wondering how long it'll be before the only way you can get into a PUG is to hand over some gold.

Anyone who thinks this isn't having real-world consequences for the game isn't thinking things through very thoroughly. I'm sure I'm not the only one who, when asked by her friends and family if GW is any good, has to say "Ummm... Yes and no...". Word-of-mouth counts for a lot of sales and while the screwy economy alone isn't enough to kill the game, some of the consequences of that screwy economy are pushing it that way.

SOT · Aug 13, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

Fissue is useless now, every tom, dick, and harry has it, so i no longer see a point for getting it, everywhere i go i see FoW armors dyed black lined up... i don't know if im looking at 6 players or if that one guy just used "Kage Bunshin no Jutsu"

If FOW Armor was really super common, I think I would see it more. Except for my miracle item-get last night from some behemoth WEARING IT in Yak's Bend, I see most of it on HERE

FFF_WarRaven · Aug 13, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

well the market goes up it goes down, my one major complaint is WHEN THE HELL AM I GOING TO GET A GOLD DROP THAT ISN'T A DAM HEXED MODDED WEAPON!!!???

how about that for a complaint every weapon, that's right every dam single gold weapon dropped for me is a vs hexed or while hexed weapon.....now to me a hex dmg mod gold weapon is so dam comon and usually its something i can't use or seel and i either have to sell to the trader for 300gp or less or salvo it and hope to get something good from it, which is usually never the case.

I have acctually deleted several characters and created new ones in hopes of getting different drops, guess what..NOPE!!! every gold item is a while hexed or vs hexed...12 gold items in 4 days alone all Hexed...

WELL TO HEX WITH "RARE" GOLD DROPS!!!

ok i'm off to give a hydra a wedgie, heh prolly the only use for my hexed gold items.

:::End Transmission:::

wiz12268 · Aug 13, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

People complaining on a forum is no indication of what people thay play the game are thinking.I would say less than 1% of the people who play the game even know about this website. Check the chatter on the local chaneels, and see ho wmany distrcits there are for certain cities. On the weekend there are usually 25-30 for ascalon and 15-20 or linons, and when the US has favor generally 20-25 for ToA. See what people are saying, and see how many districts for the hotter venues there are. if there is a major drop in districts, thatis sruely a telltale sign fewer people are playing.

Myfriendslist hasabout20 mames, Iloged onlast night and one of them was playing. At any given timethere are 6-7 of them. That is why they are there, they are active, so at any given time we have a network of friends that can help each other out. Generally that is called a Guild, but it is easier to do it with friends sometimes, espcially if some of them belong to some more well established guilds already.

I have read far more negatives in this than positives. I DID get a lot and I DID get a ton of stuff hoarded, and I am still complaining, simply because it is bad for the game long term. I have no agenda, I have no attitude. I just know this game can be fixed, and can be something that can be played for awhile. But when one aspect of the game is as flawed as this, it takes away from the game as a whole.

You aren't creating a level field for players, you are ofeering things that nmow I would say 90% of the players cannot afford. Who is going to want to continue playing a gamewhere they can't get ANY of the cool stuff? That is when animousity and confusion get into the picture. People get jealous of theguys who have eveything, and continually trying to buy an item, and continually getting prices that they can't ever dream ofpaying beats people down over time. So they just stop playing, and when if it ever gets fixed they don't know about it because they have already gone on to something welse.

The thing that makes GW good is also the amount of people playingit. The more people the more chances of makinga team, getting a battle going. If fewer and fewer people play that will kill the game, and that has a snowball effect over time.

The other online games might not be as geat technically or graphically, but a lot of people still play them, and there are always enough people online so that you can usually get what you want.

Who wants to go into towns and see 4-5 blue dots and try to do a mission? It is hard eough finding monks to play healer now. If people leave the game it won't be possible to even finish it. Unless you go with all hences, and depending on your build, that might take a few tries.

Aniewiel · Aug 13, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by wiz12268

You aren't creating a level field for players, you are ofeering things that nmow I would say 90% of the players cannot afford. Who is going to want to continue playing a gamewhere they can't get ANY of the cool stuff?

Thinking players don't care. You don't NEED the "cool stuff" because the things that some people think are cool just aren't. The difference between a gold stormbow with max damage and a modifier is so minuscule when compared to a one-off-max bow and, consequently, its coolness (and potency) is rendered useless.

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That is when animousity and confusion get into the picture. People get jealous of theguys who have eveything, and continually trying to buy an item, and continually getting prices that they can't ever dream ofpaying beats people down over time.

I read this and spewed coffee all over my keyboard. I seriously doubt ANYONE is filled with animosity, confusion or jealousy. I mean, really. The Fissure armor is no better than the Droknar's armor. Anyone who might feel animosity or jealousy needs some serious psychiatric intervention.

As I said earlier, thinking players don't give a rip. Hats off to those who have fissure armor if that's their thing but, in the big picture, who cares?

I just don't think that people stomping off in a huff over small issues like cosmetic armor differences is a big deal. Good riddance, I say. And, as I've said to others: Go find another game to play for a time until you cool down and come back in awhile. GW will still be here, thinking players will still be here and things will be fun for you again. And if it isn't fun when you return, use the "start -->control panel-->add/remove programs-->uninstall" sequence and life is good again. I'd still venture that you got your money's worth.

Orochim4ru · Aug 13, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Thinking players don't care

That's totally untrue. Thinking players enjoy having fun with dyes and looking good as much as the next player.